Approval of self imported aftermarket exhaust

[rhema83]

of course it is possible, but would the time and effort for all that, be justifiable for a savings of $2-300?

 

most, if not all of us here, already given up on LTA with regards to their stupid policies.

 

in short, most of the restrictions set by LTA on approved(TUV, EC, JMCA, etc) aftermarket modifications, are just plain BS to me.

 

and yes, they are reasonable people no doubt, but many a times, they are simply bounded by red-tapes set by the scholars up there. will they stand up for you and challenge the red-tapes for you? i seriously doubt so.

 

Every policy has a intent / purpose. But as market conditions change and the policy gets tweaked time and again, sometimes the original intent is "lost in translation", or the policies becomes "obsolete". The public should call out "unreasonable" or "BS" policies and get the government to examine the relevance of those policies and answer your probing questions. If you are not satisfied with the answer from the lower-level staff, you have the right to escalate the matter to higher authority. That said, you must personally stand up and fight for your own rights. Nobody in his right mind will challenge his own boss without good reason. You can give him the reason (e.g. you wrote a good email to the Minister / CEO and got his attention).

 

But please don't write to the top bosses for every single issue lah. Public service is already quite tough, unlike what most people think. I am already working very long hours. Please don't make them even longer and take away my precious motorcycling time, okay?

 

Bro, I do agreed with you on bringing this up to AGC. Who knows what else could be discover if they dig into this deeper and find something else. It is really strange that only in Singapore the LTA doesn't recognize the certificate even though it is legalized without a local distributor stamp and letter.

 

The only issue is now bikers like me doesn't have the necessary knowledge and know-how to bring this up to AGC. Can anybody help us? I just feel that the procedures of self-import are unfair to bikers and pro-business minded

 

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Let me make myself very clear here. If LTA is refusing to approve your exhaust SOLELY because its certificate is missing the local distributor stamp, then you have a good case to bring to AGC/MTI. However, the exhaust you are importing must be IDENTICAL to the one that has already been approved and is being sold by a local distributor. By IDENTICAL I mean the exact same part number(s) including silencers, inserts, etc. If it is even a little bit different, LTA can treat it as a different exhaust, as if it has not been approved. That is a completely different scenario and LTA has every right to reject it.

 

I've done it before - Akra on a BMW in 2010. You need to get the emissions test report for the exhaust for your bike model. If you cant get it here, try your luck writing to the manufacturer of the exhaust and ask for it. Doesnt matter if the exhaust has been tested here before.

 

Please PM me as I am considering importing an Akrapovic exhaust also. The local prices for Akrapovic exhausts is simply outrageous.

 

I understand the most brands are already carried by local distributors. But the local distributor does not bring in all models of an exhaust brand.

 

Using GPR as an example, the local agent is not importing the appropriate pipes for KTM Duke 390. So can I still try to get the appropriate pipe approved via LTA?

 

Yes, you can, provided that you can obtain all the necessary documents. I suggest you write to LTA to state your intent, and send in whatever documents you can obtain from GPR. If you can satisfy LTA's requirements (mainly to prove that the exhaust is designed for your bike and meets all emission standards), you have a good chance of getting it approved.

 

Phew! What a long reply! Couldn't stop myself from writing cos people are just indiscriminately giving public servants a bad name. Come on, most of us are normal Singaporeans earning average incomes, and we also feel the same pain as you when we get hit by those policies (expensive COE, difficult to approve exhaust, etc).

[rhema83]

One final parting note: be logical, reasonable and polite in your email. Never get emotional or imply that the officer is stupid. Don't use rude words like "BS" either. He is also human. If you scold him, how can you expect him to help you?

[bobktm2]

Yes the exhaust is truly identical with the schematic diagram and the picture of it installed on the intended bike model. But I say again, it is not brought in by a local distributor and LTA does not want to allow it to go through inspection. Instead they want more documents like the emission and noise test. I wrote to akrapovic hq and they refer me to the local agent here. I asked the agent and they want to charge $200 for the documents. It is ridiculous per say.

 

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[Zer0]

Has anyone had any luck getting emission and noise test documents from GPR? I have all the other paperwork and everything lodged with the LTA and accepted just pending the noise and emission test results extracted from the original type approval testing.

 

Have not been able to get anyone on the phone at GPR who understands what I am asking for and they just don't seem to respond to email asking for this information at all.

 

The LTA officer advised me that from 2011 onwards these test results are now required whereas before 2011 the european homologation certificate was generally enough to satisfy their requirements.

[opel96680]

Have try to import gpr exhaust...e5 and 9 approve with cat...came with document. ..

.but lta say still need full test report....y there made our life so difficult..

[Silent Hunter]

Same here. LTA don't give a damn.

GPR HQ also don't give a damn.

 

My exhaust even more power. On paper road legal exhaust. Even advertise that it is different from race exhaust that have no CAT converter and muffer. But when opened, inside no Cat converter, no decibel killer either.

 

Wrote to GPR HQ they insist that I got "EXACTLY" what I ordered. After showing them the photos they said that the decibel killer is no longer manufactured for this exhaust and I have to pay extra few hundred for the CAT converter. Which it total B.S.

 

Where on earth is there a road legal exhaust with no CAT converter and no decibel killer (muffer)

 

Nothing but cheaters. I am blacklisting the brand GPR period no matter what offers/freebies or prices they have.

[mechwira]

personally, when i see such a long list (and the latest most current list is indeed very long) of bike exhaust systems officially approved by LTA, i believe LTA is serious when they say they will allow/approve exhaust systems provided documents are in order and tests prove they are suitable.

 

i frankly understand LTA's requirement that documents are 100% in order even though i acknowledge the huge inconvenience it places private individual buyers of exhaust. its a govt agency, of course it demands 100% documents. and like i said, the long list of approved exhausts shows LTA will really approve if you can give what they require.

 

this unfortunately means that only a shop and official local distributor will have the resources to collect and collate the necessary documents. the local shop can make money by selling LTA approved exhaust so of course they willing to do, and the brand hq can export to us via a local distributor so of course they willing to cooperate with the local distributor.

 

but us individuals? lose. the brand's hq only want to deal with us as straight customers, won't bother giving you documents not already in the box. local distributor go to so much trouble liaise with the brand and test and pay distribution rights, and you just happily ask for document that they go to all the trouble for to make money, just so that you can bring in from outside yourself cheaper? which shop in their right mind happy to help you do that?

 

that's life. shop wants to make money and govt agency want to enforce regulations. at least we do have a list of exhaust systems to choose from, unlike the case fifteen years ago.

 

(*but the GPR selling you exhaust different from advertised and making excuses for the difference is downright dirty sales and not acceptable. different issue.)

[Hydher]

Good news folks..

 

Things are looking good with getting my self imported exhaust approved.

I have already gotten the green light by Lta a few days ago when i went down personally to lta to speak to the engineering dept exhaust officer.(With just documents.. i did not pay anything yet nor ordered the exhaust)

This morning, I ordered the exhaust from ebay.

 

There are many many many things that needs to be in order before it gets approved.. if you are missing one document it cannot be approved.

I personally believe that if you can get the documents, you can bypass the distributor.

 

I feel that those who got it approved but do not bother sharing in detailed steps are very very selfish.

 

Once it is approved, I will do a write up.

 

Meanwhile, i have a 17 pages 5mb document of the cert i would like to share so others may refer to it. Any ideas how i may share this?

 

Thanks @mechwira I wonder.. if I were to share this and the distributor complain to the manufacturer, will the manufacturer stop providing the public with such documents?

Pls share your thoughts (:

 

Thanks

[luminicious]

Good news folks..

 

Things are looking good with getting my self imported exhaust approved.

I have already gotten the green light by Lta a few days ago when i went down personally to lta to speak to the engineering dept exhaust officer.(With just documents.. i did not pay anything yet nor ordered the exhaust)

This morning, I ordered the exhaust from ebay.

 

There are many many many things that needs to be in order before it gets approved.. if you are missing one document it cannot be approved.

I personally believe that if you can get the documents, you can bypass the distributor.

 

I feel that those who got it approved but do not bother sharing in detailed steps are very very selfish.

 

Once it is approved, I will do a write up.

 

Meanwhile, i have a 17 pages 5mb document of the cert i would like to share so others may refer to it. Any ideas how i may share this?

 

Thanks @mechwira I wonder.. if I were to share this and the distributor complain to the manufacturer, will the manufacturer stop providing the public with such documents?

Pls share your thoughts (:

 

Thanks

 

How? Approved already?

You can upload it on google docs... etc

[mechwira]

Thanks @mechwira I wonder.. if I were to share this and the distributor complain to the manufacturer, will the manufacturer stop providing the public with such documents?

Pls share your thoughts (:

 

 

 

when it comes to "official distributor", as far as i understand the only contract that exists is that the manufacturer will only export their products into singapore via the licensed official distributor and may not do so through any other means/channels. some manufacturers will go as far as refusing to directly sell you if they see your address is a country with an existing official distributor, but this varies.

 

but technical documents, as far as i know, are never part of the agreement/contract for official distributor license. but.... they also can anytime refer you to local distributor for all requests and refuse to deal with you directly. could be because local distributor ask them not to. could also be because they don't have the resources to deal with a global pool of customer service and therefore must refer you to distributor for efficiency.

 

in any case i'm happy to see i'm right, i.e, LTA will indeed grant approval so long as your paperwork is 100%.

[spiderman]

This is very good information.

[spicy]

On 2/21/2016 at 9:10 AM, Hydher said:

Good news folks..

 

Things are looking good with getting my self imported exhaust approved.

I have already gotten the green light by Lta a few days ago when i went down personally to lta to speak to the engineering dept exhaust officer.(With just documents.. i did not pay anything yet nor ordered the exhaust)

This morning, I ordered the exhaust from ebay.

 

There are many many many things that needs to be in order before it gets approved.. if you are missing one document it cannot be approved.

I personally believe that if you can get the documents, you can bypass the distributor.

 

I feel that those who got it approved but do not bother sharing in detailed steps are very very selfish.

 

Once it is approved, I will do a write up.

 

Meanwhile, i have a 17 pages 5mb document of the cert i would like to share so others may refer to it. Any ideas how i may share this?

 

Thanks @mechwira I wonder.. if I were to share this and the distributor complain to the manufacturer, will the manufacturer stop providing the public with such documents?

Pls share your thoughts

 

Thanks

Hi has it been approved? Could you please share the “detailed steps” and clarify any misconceptions?

[Hydher]

Refer to the first post in this thread

It's been awhile and regulations have been tightened. Best to check with the authority

[SBF]

On 8/7/2021 at 12:52 PM, Hydher said:

Refer to the first post in this thread

It's been awhile and regulations have been tightened. Best to check with the authority

@Hydher That's what we've been hearing, that self-approval of exhaust is close to impossible now.

Do you know of anyone that has gone through your route recently?