A little bit of sad that discretionary right turn was removed from right turn junctions

[magicj]

To me the reasons which support an end to the discretionary right turn doesn't make senses.  As they're applied to filter lane too,  how it's possible to expect the motorists, who can't perform discretionary right turn properly, are able to perform well with the filter lane.  Should red-amber-green arrows be installed for all filter lanes as well ?  Otherwise those idiots will do the same stupid thing at the filter lane instead of discretionary right turn junctions.  In my opinion,  removing of discretionary right turn means more idiots on road,  more sad of degrading of quality of motorists than the insane COE.

Edited September 2, 2023 by magicj

[adesmond2]

On 9/2/2023 at 1:45 PM, magicj said:

To me the reasons which support an end to the discretionary right turn doesn't make senses.  As they're applied to filter lane too,  how it's possible to expect the motorists, who can't perform discretionary right turn properly, are able to perform well with the filter lane.  Should red-amber-green arrows be installed for all filter lanes as well ?  Otherwise those idiots will do the same stupid thing at the filter lane instead of discretionary right turn junctions.  In my opinion,  removing of discretionary right turn means more idiots on road,  more sad of degrading of quality of motorists than the insane COE.

irregardless of which turn.. as long the owner is not in the right state of mind.. left or right doesn't matter.. sometimes straight also just bump the person infront.. 

the only thing that matters is.. some lane used to be right turn and straight.. now they suddenly change to right turn only.. then we have to make sure to change lane first (going straight) cross the junction then faster change back again.. =.='' shag lei...

 

another matters is waiting time at junction... also shag... what's worse is.. too many junctions ahead... 

[Siphon]

the fact that a simple 1km road can have 20 traffic lights... enough said. 

[magicj]

4 hours ago, Siphon said:

the fact that a simple 1km road can have 20 traffic lights... enough said. 

It exactly happend at Circuit Road recently,  installed intensive traffic lights every 50~70m,  but little help,  jaywalking continues, as the road still kept opened and didn't install barriers at the same time to force pedestrians cross road via the traffic controlled intersections.

Regardless the intensive installation of traffic lights,  the most idiot change is the blink warning amber light installed next to the  traffic light at the T junction of Balam Road which is in the middle of the bend of Circuit Rd.,  quite easily lead an emergency braking due to the illusion.  Because the bend blocks sight, the blink warning amber light will pop up with the traffic light at the same time suddenly after entering bend,  it is easy to misinterpret as the ‘’amber“ is on. 

Wondering what's the rationale behind the desgins.

Edited September 14, 2023 by magicj

[adesmond2]

9 hours ago, magicj said:

It exactly happend at Circuit Road recently,  installed intensive traffic lights every 50~70m,  but little help,  jaywalking continues, as the road still kept opened and didn't install barriers at the same time to force pedestrians cross road via the traffic controlled intersections.

Regardless the intensive installation of traffic lights,  the most idiot change is the blink warning amber light installed next to the  traffic light at the T junction of Balam Road which is in the middle of the bend of Circuit Rd.,  quite easily lead an emergency braking due to the illusion.  Because the bend blocks sight, the blink warning amber light will pop up with the traffic light at the same time suddenly after entering bend,  it is easy to misinterpret as the ‘’amber“ is on. 

Wondering what's the rationale behind the desgins.

u stay circuit road? I used to stay there for many years.. Balam road near the curve only main road has traffic light based on what I recall when I pass by.. you mean the minor road come out from balam road now have traffic light & left turn arrow also???? That sounded confusing...

[magicj]

On 9/15/2023 at 12:52 AM, adesmond2 said:

u stay circuit road? I used to stay there for many years.. Balam road near the curve only main road has traffic light based on what I recall when I pass by.. you mean the minor road come out from balam road now have traffic light & left turn arrow also???? That sounded confusing...

Yes, I live in Circuit Road.  It's still the discretionary left turn at the balam road.  Recnely,  it increased 4 new traffice lights between circuit Hawker Centre and BLK 37.  Now there are 8 traffice lights within 600m,  and Circuit Road is worthy of its name 'Circuit Route' .  In principle, it should be safer for pedestrians than previouse. 

[adesmond2]

On 9/17/2023 at 11:51 AM, magicj said:

Yes, I live in Circuit Road.  It's still the discretionary left turn at the balam road.  Recnely,  it increased 4 new traffice lights between circuit Hawker Centre and BLK 37.  Now there are 8 traffice lights within 600m,  and Circuit Road is worthy of its name 'Circuit Route' .  In principle, it should be safer for pedestrians than previouse. 

hawker to 37 = 8 traffic light..

I'll drop by one of these days to take a look..

I remember.. hawker one.. small road out one +2 for going in and out of circuit road.. then reach batam road another one.. another one at ATM, one at MRT, one at 71 to the new estate one at wet market.. one loop liao.. haha

[Siphon]

we need airborne roads

[biting_point]

most European countries and US are having non discretionary left turns in city areas. 
its a good move to prevent accidents. 

and they have more land space to make roundabouts at more busy junctions at rural areas to reduce costs of traffic lights.

but in SG, we seldom have non controlled junctions unlike overseas (due to land mass, urban vs rural)

just comply and follow. its for greater good. in this interim, just be mindful that a lot of motorists still not used to it and position themselves into the now non-existent turning pocket.  

[Siphon]

i blame it on who we allow on the roads really... Even with "discretionary right turns" i see drivers & riders turning when the red stop arrows are there. They make U-turns, right turns... as though the red arrow is non-existent. Other than adding red light cameras for enforcements.

It is useless just to say "No discretionary turns" to people who just aren't going to follow laws in Singapore. I was even honked at for not moving... give up... just short of being banged from behind... 

[Siphon]

picture and sign they already don't understand... don't think words they can read... 

Only way to force them to understand is either put a camera there or a TP there. 

[adesmond2]

I went back circuit road.. and truly got a shock out of my life… why the h*** did all those traffic lights comes about?

 

and the parking at the hawker centres now is truly next level..

 

I missed the entrance and decided not to uturn for a experience..

[jackson_ngo]

Sad to say... SG too many drivers CMI, if don't tell them what to do and what not to do... They'll get into trouble. Hence gov need to regulate whether it is safe to move off or not 

Edited November 14, 2023 by jackson_ngo